F O U R T H E Y E

Not sure if this got posted in here yet. Tried to skim back and then gave up because... 9 pages. Anyway, here's Amenra (good band) doing Parabol. Muy bueno.

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And here's them doing it live...

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One of the best Tool covers I've ever heard.

Not really a cover, but a breakdown of a Tool song. Videos like this really make me appreciate Tool's music that much more. To the lay person they would agree that Tool's riffs sound great, and they have a certain feel to them; but when you see how its broken down you see WHY it makes people feel that way. Tool fans feel the additional substance and depth that the music offers, even if they dont necessarily understand why. Very cool.

I really enjoyed that Schism video. It isolated lots of cool things about the song I'd never really appreciated before.

Very cool vid. I also enjoy deciphering the meter changes, and count it similarly to the way the old dude does it. He's MUCH better at it than I am, and I would have a lot of trouble trying to communicate it anywhere near as clearly as he does. Super interesting.

Unfortunately, the misspelling of "Bridge" at 8:22 made me lose all respect for this guy. What a loser.

I had no idea what he was talking about but I agree with his general sentiments

I tried watching that video breakdown of schism, but like tys0n, I have absolutely no clue what any of that means, so I couldn't get through the whole thing. The guy appears to be uber smart and talented musically, but I am a music imbecile. I am content in knowing the music is great, but not why it is great.

Kittaan wrote:Unfortunately, the misspelling of "Bridge" at 8:22 made me lose all respect for this guy. What a loser.

Or the part where he confuses D harmonic minor and C harmonic minor. What a dumbass.

It's a good breakdown of how the song functions, but it doesn't really explain how any of that shit makes the song "great" though.

Really liked that video of the breakdown. Damn I'm getting excited for new Tool music!

UndKeineZwEier wrote:It's a good breakdown of how the song functions, but it doesn't really explain how any of that shit makes the song "great" though.

All of those elements contribute. If you are a Tool fan, you likely already know the reason the song is great. Maybe you’re just not a true Tool fan?

#BanUKE
#Sad

Kittaan wrote:All of those elements contribute.

Do they? So a song needs ~50 meter changes to be great? The aspects he points out are interesting but he doesn't really spell out how those come together to make a "great" song. A great song isn't just about key changes, metric modulation, an awesome drum fill, and a heavy riff. It's about how they are implemented and come together to form the song. Like a lot people think it's the former and that's how you end up with bands like Dream Theater. You could make almost the exact same video about a Dream Theater song and it would be equally valid.

That's an interesting video. Very cool.

I'm still continually driven nuts by these things where the people can't play the riffs correctly though.

UndKeineZwEier wrote:

Kittaan wrote:All of those elements contribute.

Do they? So a song needs ~50 meter changes to be great? The aspects he points out are interesting but he doesn't really spell out how those come together to make a "great" song. A great song isn't just about key changes, metric modulation, an awesome drum fill, and a heavy riff. It's about how they are implemented and come together to form the song. Like a lot people think it's the former and that's how you end up with bands like Dream Theater. You could make almost the exact same video about a Dream Theater song and it would be equally valid.

Agreed. I like Tool’s music because it sounds bad ass, I don’t give a rat’s ass about complexity or any of that mumbo mumbo.

On any random day I enjoy Maynard’s Dick (obligatory heh) as much as Schism.

Exactly. Like I think what makes any given Tool song great is that the complexity is there if you want it but it's all grounded in good songwriting. Like I don't think Schism is such a well liked song just because it has a bunch of time changes but that's what the video kind of implies. And considering how many people out there think more complexity = better music, I think it's worthwhile to dig into how to do it in a meaningful way.

Like this video just seemed like a more articulate version of that guy who's like "check this song out it has so many time changes, and oh my god that riff's so cool, and oh man check out this drum fill," which is fine I guess, but I just wish it went a little deeper.

The best part of the video is hearing the isolated tracks. Oh, what I wouldn't do to get my hands on those.

joeypants wrote:The best part of the video is hearing the isolated tracks. Oh, what I wouldn't do to get my hands on those.

Pretty sure it's all done with ProTools. It isolates the tracks when a song is uploaded without actually having the original tracks

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Nah, Pro Tools can't do that at least not without a (presumably) high end plugin. Those are most likely the Guitar Hero stems.

Yeah, Guitar Hero was my first thought as to where he got the isolated samples from.

This may be old news to some, but here is a breakdown of Lateralus. I have known the Fibonacci sequence was in there for a while, but never knew how deep.

Edit: just saw Ziggy posted this a few days ago in the social media thread. Great minds and all that...

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UndKeineZwEier wrote:Nah, Pro Tools can't do that at least not without a (presumably) high end plugin. Those are most likely the Guitar Hero stems.

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Nothing can to that degree of quality. Just not how sound works.

I thought it might be Guitar Hero too. There's a lot of bleed over in some of the tracks which makes me think it came from Guitar Hero.

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On any random day I enjoy Maynard’s Dick (obligatory heh) as much as Schism.

Maynard's Dick has always been in my top three, always will be

Top 3 songs or Dicks?? Asking for a friend.

Does anyone know if there's a story behind that? Just that its so different and generic for them Im wondering if there's any kinda story, like they needed an extra song to fill out time to make a set. Or its just Tool being Tool?

Maynard's Dick isn't even a Top 25 song about penises. I mean, there are 9 members in Slipknot alone isn't there?