Opiate 21st Anniversary Edition hits the printers

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Post by petemasterpete » Tue Mar 12, 2013 9:14 pm

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It's a book.  Hardcover.  Possibly Defintittly going to be filled with porn.


It's a shame no one pays for porn now-a-days. Unless you count Playboy as porn. I don't.

 


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Post by snazzlefrass » Tue Mar 12, 2013 9:24 pm

petemasterpete said

snazzlefrass said


reiEenieKdnU said
It's a book.  Hardcover.  Possibly Defintittly going to be filled with porn.


It's a shame no one pays for porn now-a-days. Unless you count Playboy as porn. I don't.

 


people still look at playboy?


I'm sure people will always look at Playboy so long as it's in publication. I'm sure after ol' Hef dies it'll go downhill more than it has in recent years. Though the articles and models have degraded over the years, I do enjoy the interviews. I always find it funny how fucked up people are in the advisory section too.

 

 
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Post by Kittaan » Tue Mar 12, 2013 9:27 pm

petemasterpete said

snazzlefrass said


reiEenieKdnU said
It's a book.  Hardcover.  Possibly Defintittly going to be filled with porn.


It's a shame no one pays for porn now-a-days. Unless you count Playboy as porn. I don't.

 


people still look at playboy?


Just for the articles, Petey.

 

Re: the Opiate Anniversary release...  Again, I am underwhelmed so far.  Curious but not even thinking about a purchase at this point.  Like many, I would be pleasantly surprised with anything other than a simple re-release with the already discussed new artwork.  Meh indeed.
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Post by hellboy » Tue Mar 12, 2013 9:33 pm

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Re: the Opiate Anniversary release...  Again, I am underwhelmed so far.  


Really, until they give us some details as to what's actually inside the package, we're all just spinning wheels at the moment.

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Post by petemasterpete » Tue Mar 12, 2013 9:35 pm

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Kittaan said 
 

Re: the Opiate Anniversary release...  Again, I am underwhelmed so far.  


Really, until they give us some details as to what's actually inside the package, we're all just spinning wheels at the moment.


no.  no WE ALL are not just spinning wheels.  Quite honestly, I've given this little to no thought at all.
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Post by Pgrantham » Tue Mar 12, 2013 9:41 pm

Well, it looks like it is definitely Opiate. You can barely make out the word in the picture.

 

BUT, I'm going to be a jackass and believe that this Anniversary release is just a way to get off the hook with the record label, so they can release the NEW shit under their own circumstances.

 

So yes, this jackass is still hoping for the new album release right around the corner. sigh.

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Post by Ravenpig » Tue Mar 12, 2013 10:22 pm

It just dawned on me that if there was going to be previously unreleased songs on this they probably would've leaked by now, so that possibility just got even smaller.
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Post by hellboy » Tue Mar 12, 2013 10:56 pm

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It just dawned on me that if there was going to be previously unreleased songs on this they probably would've leaked by now, so that possibility just got even smaller.


I wouldn't go that far.  With the exception of Salival Tool haven't really released any b-sides at all.  Not saying there will be such a thing, but my understanding is that there definitely would be recorded material that has remained unreleased.  Whether or not this would be appropriate for Opiate, I don't know.

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Post by grr915 » Tue Mar 12, 2013 10:57 pm

I don't know much about contracts with the record company etc. But I doubt a re-release with only 5,000 copies would fulfill their contract

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Post by hellboy » Tue Mar 12, 2013 11:00 pm

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I don't know much about contracts with the record company etc. But I doubt a re-release with only 5,000 copies would fulfill their contract


I doubt it would either, and I don't know that anyone suggested it would.

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Post by grr915 » Tue Mar 12, 2013 11:02 pm

hellboy1975 said

grr915 said
I don't know much about contracts with the record company etc. But I doubt a re-release with only 5,000 copies would fulfill their contract


I doubt it would either, and I don't know that anyone suggested it would.


Pgrantham said
Well, it looks like it is definitely Opiate. You can barely make out the word in the picture.

 

BUT, I'm going to be a jackass and believe that this Anniversary release is just a way to get off the hook with the record label, so they can release the NEW shit under their own circumstances.

 

So yes, this jackass is still hoping for the new album release right around the corner. sigh.


Nah, was just replying to Pgrantham....just forgot to quote his post

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Post by not tyson » Tue Mar 12, 2013 11:02 pm

Pgrantham said
Well, it looks like it is definitely Opiate. You can barely make out the word in the picture.

 

BUT, I'm going to be a jackass and believe that this Anniversary release is just a way to get off the hook with the record label, so they can release the NEW shit under their own circumstances.

 

So yes, this jackass is still hoping for the new album release right around the corner. sigh.


 

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Post by hellboy » Tue Mar 12, 2013 11:24 pm

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Nah, was just replying to Pgrantham....just forgot to quote his post


Ah ok, didn't see/read his post.  You are correct, it would be the worlds dumbest record executive that would agree to this limited release taking the place of a full blown Tool album, unless Tool are set to break up.

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Post by Gwarden » Wed Mar 13, 2013 12:46 am

The Tool logo on the cover appears to be the version from Opiate, as opposed to the newer linked-letter version. Nice touch.

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Post by Jethro Tool » Wed Mar 13, 2013 3:16 am

seeing that im looking forward to it - totally reckon its Salival 2. Just needs the sticker on the cover saying "new album out later this year..."

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Post by doors » Wed Mar 13, 2013 4:16 am

How cool would it be if it was the new album?

Opiate..meh.

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Post by doors » Wed Mar 13, 2013 4:20 am

Or a Live DVD? That would kick arse. I hope this lame 21st excuse of an Opiate is really a decoy for a live DVD /new album - like Systema Encyphale. It better be the lazy currnts...

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Post by N.Y.H.C. » Wed Mar 13, 2013 4:28 am

Can this release (in addition to being "Opiate" vinyl with some new art) be a follow up to "Salival"? Coming with studio recorded (or live recorded) versions of songs that do not appear on "Opiate", maybe the "Schism" and "Stinkfist" extended versions they play live? Kinda of how they gave us "Pushit" on "Salival"? That would be sweet. I'd say decent odds are a 10-1 shot on there being at least one major twist with this "Opiate" anniversary release, possibly a studio recorded cover song? "Keep in mind, this is not a cover (not the rumored “Crazy Train”), nor is it a glorified segue that never made it onto a record." "Crazy Train" would fit, or maybe how they always used to tease "Rush" covers live? 10-1 sounds about right. Or it could be a 20-1 long shot of...."...this is an original full-blown Tool song complete with vocals and lyrics. The title of this tune is “Problem 8 (The Riemann Hypothesis)”, and it was recorded many years ago – so long ago, in fact, that I don’t remember who played bass, although I want to say it was Justin. The length is somewhere in the six-minute range (if my memory serves me correctly), but whatever it is, the exact time had something to do with the unsolved and mysterious nature of the title. Now, not only was the song professionally recorded; it was actually ‘issued’ in a manufactured medium (though I’m not going to say whether this was vinyl, a CD, or cassette tape). Because of the ingenious way it was made available to the public, “Problem 8” , in my opinion, constitutes the ultimate hidden track." This is not improbable, being they have taken 8 years between releases. This would easily fill the void until Spring 2014 for Tool fans, I know it would for me. Thoughts?
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Can this release (in addition to being "Opiate" vinyl with some new art) be a follow up to "Salival"? Coming with studio recorded (or live recorded) versions of songs that do not appear on "Opiate", maybe the "Schism" and "Stinkfist" extended versions they play live? Kinda of how they gave us "Pushit" on "Salival"? That would be sweet. I'd say decent odds are a 10-1 shot on there being at least one major twist with this "Opiate" anniversary release, possibly a studio recorded cover song? "Keep in mind, this is not a cover (not the rumored “Crazy Train”), nor is it a glorified segue that never made it onto a record." "Crazy Train" would fit, or maybe how they always used to tease "Rush" covers live? 10-1 sounds about right. Or it could be a 20-1 long shot of...."...this is an original full-blown Tool song complete with vocals and lyrics. The title of this tune is “Problem 8 (The Riemann Hypothesis)”, and it was recorded many years ago – so long ago, in fact, that I don’t remember who played bass, although I want to say it was Justin. The length is somewhere in the six-minute range (if my memory serves me correctly), but whatever it is, the exact time had something to do with the unsolved and mysterious nature of the title. Now, not only was the song professionally recorded; it was actually ‘issued’ in a manufactured medium (though I’m not going to say whether this was vinyl, a CD, or cassette tape). Because of the ingenious way it was made available to the public, “Problem 8” , in my opinion, constitutes the ultimate hidden track." This is not improbable, being they have taken 8 years between releases. This would easily fill the void until Spring 2014 for Tool fans, I know it would for me. Thoughts?


I've heard this theory mentioned before, and it wouldn't surprise me at all if Problem 8 appeared on it. 

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Post by The Boss » Wed Mar 13, 2013 5:22 am

I think I've bit my tongue long enough with my change of heart with regard to this release:

I don't have a problem with this anymore. People want it, people will buy it, people will be happy. So go nuts.

Do I think it's a little weak? Yeah. Does it impact me as a fan? Not really. If they dress this up nicely, and make it worth your money, AND you can really justify buying it - then, so be it.

I can't see how this would've got in the way of them writing the new album. So, again - go nuts.

I, for one, would never, ever, ever, ever, buy it.
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crow011 said
I think I've bit my tongue long enough with my change of heart with regard to this release:

I don't have a problem with this anymore. People want it, people will buy it, people will be happy. So go nuts.

Do I think it's a little weak? Yeah. Does it impact me as a fan? Not really. If they dress this up nicely, and make it worth your money, AND you can really justify buying it - then, so be it.

I can't see how this would've got in the way of them writing the new album. So, again - go nuts.

I, for one, would never, ever, ever, ever, buy it.


^ I highly doubt anyone was ever asking our permission   Joking aside, I still think the re-release itself is lame as fuck, but I agree.  If this kind of shit does it for ya, then go for it.  Christ knows people spend money on far more idiotic things.

I am with you though.  I wouldn't buy it.  Fuck I wouldn't even accept it as a gift.  I would give that shit back.  The only way I would even think of buying it is if it contained unreleased songs, Merkaba style.  Even a fucking live album doesn't interest me.  If it is not new, old new or new new, then I am not interested.

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NYHC81 said
Can this release (in addition to being "Opiate" vinyl with some new art) be a follow up to "Salival"? Coming with studio recorded (or live recorded) versions of songs that do not appear on "Opiate", maybe the "Schism" and "Stinkfist" extended versions they play live? Kinda of how they gave us "Pushit" on "Salival"? That would be sweet. I'd say decent odds are a 10-1 shot on there being at least one major twist with this "Opiate" anniversary release, possibly a studio recorded cover song? "Keep in mind, this is not a cover (not the rumored “Crazy Train”), nor is it a glorified segue that never made it onto a record." "Crazy Train" would fit, or maybe how they always used to tease "Rush" covers live? 10-1 sounds about right. Or it could be a 20-1 long shot of...."...this is an original full-blown Tool song complete with vocals and lyrics. The title of this tune is “Problem 8 (The Riemann Hypothesis)”, and it was recorded many years ago – so long ago, in fact, that I don’t remember who played bass, although I want to say it was Justin. The length is somewhere in the six-minute range (if my memory serves me correctly), but whatever it is, the exact time had something to do with the unsolved and mysterious nature of the title. Now, not only was the song professionally recorded; it was actually ‘issued’ in a manufactured medium (though I’m not going to say whether this was vinyl, a CD, or cassette tape). Because of the ingenious way it was made available to the public, “Problem 8” , in my opinion, constitutes the ultimate hidden track." This is not improbable, being they have taken 8 years between releases. This would easily fill the void until Spring 2014 for Tool fans, I know it would for me. Thoughts?


This sounds highly possibly.  It a makes all those newsletters about that song make a lot of sense. I don't think Blair would have mentioned the song exsisting then show pics of it on the dry erase board in the loft for no reason. 

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Post by Kittaan » Wed Mar 13, 2013 8:41 am

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I am with you though.  I wouldn't buy it.  Fuck I wouldn't even accept it as a gift.  I would give that shit back.  The only way I would even think of buying it is if it contained unreleased songs, Merkaba style.  Even a fucking live album doesn't interest me.  If it is not new, old new or new new, then I am not interested.



I call bullshit my friend.  You would have to be made of sterner stuff than I to not be interested in the first ever full length live Tool release.  Don't let your bitterness at the delay (and all that goes with it) cloud your thinking on that...

 

That being said, this will not be that, so it's a moot point.  Or as Tyson would say: "mute poynt".
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Post by MOG » Wed Mar 13, 2013 8:47 am

Kittaan said

mogeffingmog said


I am with you though.  I wouldn't buy it.  Fuck I wouldn't even accept it as a gift.  I would give that shit back.  The only way I would even think of buying it is if it contained unreleased songs, Merkaba style.  Even a fucking live album doesn't interest me.  If it is not new, old new or new new, then I am not interested.



I call bullshit my friend.  You would have to be made of sterner stuff than I to not be interested in the first ever full length live Tool release.  Don't let your bitterness at the delay (and all that goes with it) cloud your thinking on that...

 

That being said, this will not be that, so it's a moot point.  Or as Tyson would say: "mute poynt".


Of course you are free to call whatever you like good sir.  You would be wrong in this instance.  A live Tool album no longer interests me.  Fuck a live DVD doesn't even interest me.  I have been to enough Tool concerts, really don't need a live DVD full of songs I have already seen performed in person.  A new album is my only concern as it relates to Tool.  And I won't be running to the store cash in hand on the day of release either.  I am definitely going to wait until some of my buddies have listened to it.  If the album isn't excellent I am not giving them a cent.

 

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hellboy1975 said


NYHC81 said
Can this release (in addition to being "Opiate" vinyl with some new art) be a follow up to "Salival"? Coming with studio recorded (or live recorded) versions of songs that do not appear on "Opiate", maybe the "Schism" and "Stinkfist" extended versions they play live? Kinda of how they gave us "Pushit" on "Salival"? That would be sweet. I'd say decent odds are a 10-1 shot on there being at least one major twist with this "Opiate" anniversary release, possibly a studio recorded cover song? "Keep in mind, this is not a cover (not the rumored “Crazy Train”), nor is it a glorified segue that never made it onto a record." "Crazy Train" would fit, or maybe how they always used to tease "Rush" covers live? 10-1 sounds about right. Or it could be a 20-1 long shot of...."...this is an original full-blown Tool song complete with vocals and lyrics. The title of this tune is “Problem 8 (The Riemann Hypothesis)”, and it was recorded many years ago – so long ago, in fact, that I don’t remember who played bass, although I want to say it was Justin. The length is somewhere in the six-minute range (if my memory serves me correctly), but whatever it is, the exact time had something to do with the unsolved and mysterious nature of the title. Now, not only was the song professionally recorded; it was actually ‘issued’ in a manufactured medium (though I’m not going to say whether this was vinyl, a CD, or cassette tape). Because of the ingenious way it was made available to the public, “Problem 8” , in my opinion, constitutes the ultimate hidden track." This is not improbable, being they have taken 8 years between releases. This would easily fill the void until Spring 2014 for Tool fans, I know it would for me. Thoughts?


I've heard this theory mentioned before, and it wouldn't surprise me at all if Problem 8 appeared on it. 




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