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Post by The Boss » Sat Mar 16, 2013 12:47 pm

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Musically/aurally they definitely have "advanced" each time out. I don't even think that's debatable. Whether it hits that sweet spot in your gut or not is an entirely subjective thing.

 

But musically they always seem to grow, even if they don't quite congeal it all together as well as Lateralus feels. It's the #1 reason I can't wait for their next work. Lyrically... I'm hoping for more of a return to the older standards. Or more to the point, branching further outwards and hopefully hitting a new peak. But that's by Tool standards. Honestly, most bands don't interest me in the slightest lyrically and 10K Days still blows away 99% of what I listen to otherwise in that department. Oddly enough, Big Business is one of the only other groups I've found in a long time that actually interests me from a lyrical standpoint.


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I love 10,000 Days for the musical side of it--Jambi is one of Tool's greatest pieces, in my opinion. But the drop in quality regarding the lyrics is what disappoints me with the album. There are moments--"Repugnant is a creature who would squander the ability to lift his eyes to heaven, conscious of his fleeting time here." from Right In Two, for example. But in my opinion, overall, the lyrics of 10,000 Days are nowhere comparable to those from their older albums especially. The water metaphors throughout Undertow continue throughout, tying it all together, bringing the listener under as well. But where 10,000 Days jumps forward in instrumental ability, it steps back when it comes to lyrics.


Maybe that's what it is - the older some of us have got, the more we've read. Whether it be poetry, lyrics, or otherwise, I think many of us found "10,000 DAYS" to be quite lacking in terms of what we've come to expect. Personally, as a fifteen year old masturbator, I thought the lyrics to "Stinkfist" were unreal. Now, not so much.

And what's changed? I, like many of us, have read more since the early albums. I think, and this is just an hypothesis, that the 'Nard hasn't really stayed up on our level. I mean, come on - he compared humans to monkeys on "10,000 DAYS". A wordsmith, he ain't.

I expect a lot from his lyrics, because he himself puts a lot of effort into them. So, we should be allowed to go, "You know what, it feels like you're not even trying."

Fuck, Jeff Martin writes better lyrics AT TIMES than the 'Nard does.

Fine, I just don't like the album. Was that unclear to anyone?
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Post by joeypants » Sat Mar 16, 2013 12:59 pm

I still unabashedly love Stinkfist's lyrics and find them powerful and effective. One of the best summations of addiction I've heard.

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Post by UndKeineZwEier » Sat Mar 16, 2013 1:02 pm

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I still unabashedly love Stinkfist's lyrics and find them powerful and effective. One of the best summations of addiction I've heard.


Yeah, same here.  It's right behind Hooch by Melvins.
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Post by The Boss » Sat Mar 16, 2013 1:08 pm

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Post by James » Sat Mar 16, 2013 1:09 pm


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Maybe that's what it is - the older some of us have got, the more we've read. Whether it be poetry, lyrics, or otherwise, I think many of us found "10,000 DAYS" to be quite lacking in terms of what we've come to expect. Personally, as a fifteen year old masturbator, I thought the lyrics to "Stinkfist" were unreal. Now, not so much.



And what's changed? I, like many of us, have read more since the early albums. I think, and this is just an hypothesis, that the 'Nard hasn't really stayed up on our level. I mean, come on - he compared humans to monkeys on "10,000 DAYS". A wordsmith, he ain't.

I expect a lot from his lyrics, because he himself puts a lot of effort into them. So, we should be allowed to go, "You know what, it feels like you're not even trying."

Fuck, Jeff Martin writes better lyrics AT TIMES than the 'Nard does.

Fine, I just don't like the album. Was that unclear to anyone?


The problem lies in the fact that we saw at one point that he was one, he has that potential. But 10,000 Days just doesn't have that craftsmanship in it, it's really lacking. I can't imagine that he's worn out all interest in writing, he has put his time into other venues like the Arizona Foothills magazine. Some of the lyrics from Puscifer's work, if we're using timelines, could be expanded upon, but Puscifer doesn't lend itself to the same depth. If Tool's next album is a bunch of rambling about the slow growth of vines and wide desert plains, I won't mind. I just hope there is more said, because listening to Vicarious and then Right In Two it's the same message an hour later.

EDIT: I tried removing a good portion of the quote because it would be a pain having to scroll past them all every time and it screwed up crow's quote, sorry for the break in continuity.

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Post by joeypants » Sat Mar 16, 2013 1:10 pm

I think Aenema and Lateralus are the lyrical peaks so far. Lateralus mostly, though Aenema isn't far behind. To me, 10K Days is roughly on par with Opiate (see how I'm slightly staying on topic?). Vicarious and the aforementioned parts of Right In Two are the only things on that album really that seem "less than" to me. Rosetta, The Pot, Jambi, Wings and Intension are just fine by my ears. Maynard is best when he's being at least a little oblique and not so on the nose. Least of ways when he's trying to be serious. I guess you could say Rosetta is "one the nose" but it's too fun for me to criticize in that way.

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Post by Intension » Sat Mar 16, 2013 3:44 pm

I disagree, I think 10,000 days has a lot to offer lyrically. There is a lot of depth, variety, and double even triple meanings which can keep you thinking and guessing, and enjoying a song for a long time. Sure, right in two isnt a complete original idea, but i love the lyrics and think he hit the nail on the head by putting it together the way he did. The ideas of the song, are very Tool, and powerful. Old idea, yes, but he made it a good story line, and a beautiful tune.

 

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Post by doors » Sat Mar 16, 2013 4:21 pm

I love what you guys mentioned about Reflection - the song is amazing and the big climatic moment at the end is the biggest payoff I have ever found in any song. I hope they play it in April.

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Post by snazzlefrass » Sat Mar 16, 2013 8:26 pm

joeypants said
I think Aenema and Lateralus are the lyrical peaks so far. Lateralus mostly, though Aenema isn't far behind. To me, 10K Days is roughly on par with Opiate (see how I'm slightly staying on topic?). Vicarious and the aforementioned parts of Right In Two are the only things on that album really that seem "less than" to me. Rosetta, The Pot, Jambi, Wings and Intension are just fine by my ears. Maynard is best when he's being at least a little oblique and not so on the nose. Least of ways when he's trying to be serious. I guess you could say Rosetta is "one the nose" but it's too fun for me to criticize in that way.


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You're an angry young man aren't ya? It's called a quote button mate, try using it when you're engaging in a yarn with more that one person & replying to them after a few posts have been made.. 

And even though I still dig the fuck out of 10,000 days, lyrically speaking, Lateralus is Maynards masterpiece. His lyrics on songs like Reflection & Lateralus are pretty bloody inspiring. 

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Post by Gwarden » Sun Mar 17, 2013 1:52 am

If they play Reflection in Auckland I will probably implode

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Post by BellJH » Sun Mar 17, 2013 2:40 am

On the topic of lyrics, id say 10k actually sports some of maynards best. The lyrics for Jambi and Wings are outstanding. Really hope he continues in that direction. ri2 was terrible tho.

Big let down no bonus tracks on the opiate rerelease, but I guess that was pretty much expected seeing as it takes them over a year to write one song anyway

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Post by sublime5446 » Sun Mar 17, 2013 8:32 am


Gwarden said
If they play Reflection in Auckland I will probably implode


I was literally just thinking this on the way to work yesterday.  If they ever play d/r/t or even just reflections and I can't be there I will lose all hope in humanity.  

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Post by N.Y.H.C. » Mon Mar 18, 2013 8:05 am

I think the detail about this being "handcrafted" is a bit overstated. Unless there's some glass blowing going on...
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Post by Kittaan » Mon Mar 18, 2013 11:02 am

NYHC81 said
I think the detail about this being "handcrafted" is a bit overstated. Unless there's some glass blowing going on...


I don't know about glass blowing, but they seem to be blowing smoke...
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Post by gamebounty » Mon Mar 18, 2013 11:40 am


BellJH said
On the topic of lyrics, id say 10k actually sports some of maynards best. The lyrics for Jambi and Wings are outstanding. Really hope he continues in that direction. ri2 was terrible tho.

Big let down no bonus tracks on the opiate rerelease, but I guess that was pretty much expected seeing as it takes them over a year to write one song anyway


The lyrics for Wings Pt 2 are incredible. The way he dances with the English language here is pretty underrated imo. I remember when I heard this song before I knew that it was about it his mom. It moved me deeply, and still does. Imo, wings is the greatest song of all time. It's pretty much the reason why I fell in love with Tool, and played a prominent role in my darkest hour (a really fucked up shroom trip).
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Post by sublime5446 » Mon Mar 18, 2013 12:19 pm

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Post by hellboy » Mon Mar 18, 2013 2:14 pm

NYHC81 said
I think the detail about this being "handcrafted" is a bit overstated. Unless there's some glass blowing going on...


I agree, but it probably doesn't need to be taken quite so literally as well.

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Post by ilikecheese » Mon Mar 18, 2013 2:52 pm

Kittaan said

NYHC81 said
I think the detail about this being "handcrafted" is a bit overstated. Unless there's some glass blowing going on...


I don't know about glass blowing, but they seem to be blowing smoke...


haaaa....just noticed it.....
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Post by N.Y.H.C. » Mon Mar 18, 2013 4:58 pm

hellboy1975 said

NYHC81 said
I think the detail about this being "handcrafted" is a bit overstated. Unless there's some glass blowing going on...


I agree, but it probably doesn't need to be taken quite so literally as well.


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Post by Hotdog » Tue Mar 19, 2013 4:14 pm

Good to see all the new Opiate box sets will be signed. i will def be getting one. 

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Post by budsyralli » Tue Mar 19, 2013 8:51 pm

so i just had a thought regarding the 'golden tickets'........tickets are for movies , draws , dinners.....do you think maybe there is a draw or maybe a pass to a special screening of a secret tool project?
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Post by not tyson » Tue Mar 19, 2013 8:56 pm

No, it'll be something lame like concert tickets.

 

Backstage pass would be cool though.

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